Well, I said something about the talents you always should have...that was not entirely thru... I myself lost Avengers Shield in my build. But a warning... going for only 40 points in the protection tree is only vialable for raiding tankadins.
So what should every Tankadin have?
Redoubt 5/5
Toughness 5/5
Improved Righteous Fury 3/3
Shield Specialization 3/3
Anticipation 5/5
Blessing of Sanctuary 1/1
Reckoning 3/5
One-Handed Weapon specialization 5/5
Sacred Duty 2/2
Holy Shield 1/1
Improved Holy Shield 2/2
Combat Expertise 5/5
5 points in the first tree of retribution
Deflection 5/5
Improved Judgement 1/2
This will give you a 0/40/11-build. leaving 10 points open to put anywhere.
If you are not raiding End-T5/T6, make certain to take Blessings of Kings and Avengers Shield, and make the 5 points in retribution in Benediction.
The other 8 Points should most likely go to Ardent Defender and Precision in my opinion, more survavibilty, and more hits=more threat.
If you are a raiding tankadin, may I suggest the 0/40/21 build? Putting 5 points in Improved Blessing of Might for raid utility. Putting 3 points in Improved Seal of the Crusader (3% more crit for the whole raid), 3 points in Pursuit of Justice, 3 points in Crusade (3& more threat against 95% of all raid bosses) and Sanctity Aura 1/1, which gives about 10% more threat.
Now...Round them up....and Consecrate.
Saturday, 23 August 2008
For the new tankadins....part Deux.
...part two, go read part one first (below).
So, you rach level 51, what to do now... by now you have probably experienced the oom-problem... so your eyes look ath the holy tree, for some more Intellect, let's put 5 po...WAIT STOP. So you are experiencing mana-problems? DO YOU REALLY THINK 5% MORE INTELLECT WILL HELP YOU??? Look at your gear, you probably hardly have intellect on them. Now look at the holy tree again... and now forget it exists please...
Look at Benediction in the Retribytion Tree instead.. less mana for spells you are using a lot..from 51-55, put 5 points in there.
On level 56-57, put ONE point into Imp. Judgement. Two point is overdoing it. An max out Anticipation inthe Prot-tree.
Level 58 till 62, max out Deflection, repeat after me: Avoidance is GOOD.
So, know you have it, the talents which all tankadins seem to have, some variances happen after this. The following is a list of talents you can choose from:
Precision: Less misses, some more threat
Spell Warding: Damage-reduction from spels, not bad.
Ardent Defender: Life-saver, although in my experience its mostly a signal for an impending wipe.
Pursuit of Justice: Chance of damage-reduction, and increase in Speed. TBH, get Boars Speed if you think you are moving to slow :p
So, now you are ready at level 70, with a 0/50/11 build probably. This will get you thru all the heroics, T4 and early T5.
Oh, and once you hit level 58, clear all quests from your questlog and go to the outlands. Also, from this point one, ignore strength, focus on Stamina and Spelldamage. Dodge/Parry/Block rating/Defense/Block value are also good things.
So, you rach level 51, what to do now... by now you have probably experienced the oom-problem... so your eyes look ath the holy tree, for some more Intellect, let's put 5 po...WAIT STOP. So you are experiencing mana-problems? DO YOU REALLY THINK 5% MORE INTELLECT WILL HELP YOU??? Look at your gear, you probably hardly have intellect on them. Now look at the holy tree again... and now forget it exists please...
Look at Benediction in the Retribytion Tree instead.. less mana for spells you are using a lot..from 51-55, put 5 points in there.
On level 56-57, put ONE point into Imp. Judgement. Two point is overdoing it. An max out Anticipation inthe Prot-tree.
Level 58 till 62, max out Deflection, repeat after me: Avoidance is GOOD.
So, know you have it, the talents which all tankadins seem to have, some variances happen after this. The following is a list of talents you can choose from:
Precision: Less misses, some more threat
Spell Warding: Damage-reduction from spels, not bad.
Ardent Defender: Life-saver, although in my experience its mostly a signal for an impending wipe.
Pursuit of Justice: Chance of damage-reduction, and increase in Speed. TBH, get Boars Speed if you think you are moving to slow :p
So, now you are ready at level 70, with a 0/50/11 build probably. This will get you thru all the heroics, T4 and early T5.
Oh, and once you hit level 58, clear all quests from your questlog and go to the outlands. Also, from this point one, ignore strength, focus on Stamina and Spelldamage. Dodge/Parry/Block rating/Defense/Block value are also good things.
For the new tankadins.
For all the wannabe-tankadin-alts in my guild,
some advice on talent points and gear.
Gear: get Stamina,Strength. Agility and Intellect are also nice. Spirit sucks. don't look to close to the armor-bonus, you probably have enough. There isný much speldamage-plate before Outlands.
So... you are level 10, and you decided to level as prot. Not the easiest choice, but probably the most fun. And you got a talent-point...what to do with it?
Well, you got 2 choices, Imp. Devo or Redoubt. TBH, both suck. The armor increase from Imp. Devo is very little, and redoubt is procced-base...but at least redoubt gives you acces to Shield Spec later on. so get that one.
Ooh, level 15, Tier2-talents... Precision,Guardians Favor or Toughness... GF is for healadins who want to do some PVP, skip it. Precision is for retridins, and for some lvl 70 Tankadins...which means: Toughness 5/5
Level 20...Get Blessings of Kings, with an increase to all stats, it means faster levelling and better survivability.
Level 21-26: Unless you are tanking a lot, take Shield Spec first, then take Imp Righteous Fury, bot are damage-reducers, and RF gives Threat.
But but..why not go Tier4-talents at lvl 25...because, quit franly all Tier4-talenst suck for tanking. They are more for PvP, and 41/20 Healadins.
Level 27-29: Put 3 points in Anticipation
Level 30-32:Aah... reckoning... this one rocks in levelling, put 3 points in it (5 is too much, trust me)
Level 33: Add one point to Anticipation, bringing it up to 4/5
Level 34: Blessing of Sanctuary sucks.. rather use Kings/Wisdom. But it gives acces to Holy Shield later..so you have to take it.
aah, level 35-39... now it's time are you mostly soloing or doing instances... If you are soloing, take 1H-weapon spec 5/5, else, if you are tanking, dump 2 points in Sacred Duty, and 2 in 1H-weapon spec and max your anticipation. But for the good order, i am suggesting taking 1H-spec, you will be soloing most of the time.
Level 40 : Holy Shield... 'nuff said. If you cannot understand that... go roll a hunter, oh wait..most hunters have a paladin, and most paladins have a hunter :p.
Level 41-44: Max out Imp Holy Shield and Sacred Duty in any order (and 1 H weapons-spec, if you have chosen a little different route).
Level 45-49: Go for combat Expertise, more stamina, less misses on mobs...
Level 50. You have reached it...Captain America's Shield...Congratulations. Another 10...rrr 20...rrr 30 levels to go :p
All the points you know have should be in your talent tree as tank all the time... well, all but one. The Default 41 points you NEED in the protection tree dont include Blessings of Kings as raiding-Tankadin. Most (if not all) Healadins have that...So see that point in anticipation (which of course needs to be maxed out).
..to be continued...
some advice on talent points and gear.
Gear: get Stamina,Strength. Agility and Intellect are also nice. Spirit sucks. don't look to close to the armor-bonus, you probably have enough. There isný much speldamage-plate before Outlands.
So... you are level 10, and you decided to level as prot. Not the easiest choice, but probably the most fun. And you got a talent-point...what to do with it?
Well, you got 2 choices, Imp. Devo or Redoubt. TBH, both suck. The armor increase from Imp. Devo is very little, and redoubt is procced-base...but at least redoubt gives you acces to Shield Spec later on. so get that one.
Ooh, level 15, Tier2-talents... Precision,Guardians Favor or Toughness... GF is for healadins who want to do some PVP, skip it. Precision is for retridins, and for some lvl 70 Tankadins...which means: Toughness 5/5
Level 20...Get Blessings of Kings, with an increase to all stats, it means faster levelling and better survivability.
Level 21-26: Unless you are tanking a lot, take Shield Spec first, then take Imp Righteous Fury, bot are damage-reducers, and RF gives Threat.
But but..why not go Tier4-talents at lvl 25...because, quit franly all Tier4-talenst suck for tanking. They are more for PvP, and 41/20 Healadins.
Level 27-29: Put 3 points in Anticipation
Level 30-32:Aah... reckoning... this one rocks in levelling, put 3 points in it (5 is too much, trust me)
Level 33: Add one point to Anticipation, bringing it up to 4/5
Level 34: Blessing of Sanctuary sucks.. rather use Kings/Wisdom. But it gives acces to Holy Shield later..so you have to take it.
aah, level 35-39... now it's time are you mostly soloing or doing instances... If you are soloing, take 1H-weapon spec 5/5, else, if you are tanking, dump 2 points in Sacred Duty, and 2 in 1H-weapon spec and max your anticipation. But for the good order, i am suggesting taking 1H-spec, you will be soloing most of the time.
Level 40 : Holy Shield... 'nuff said. If you cannot understand that... go roll a hunter, oh wait..most hunters have a paladin, and most paladins have a hunter :p.
Level 41-44: Max out Imp Holy Shield and Sacred Duty in any order (and 1 H weapons-spec, if you have chosen a little different route).
Level 45-49: Go for combat Expertise, more stamina, less misses on mobs...
Level 50. You have reached it...Captain America's Shield...Congratulations. Another 10...rrr 20...rrr 30 levels to go :p
All the points you know have should be in your talent tree as tank all the time... well, all but one. The Default 41 points you NEED in the protection tree dont include Blessings of Kings as raiding-Tankadin. Most (if not all) Healadins have that...So see that point in anticipation (which of course needs to be maxed out).
..to be continued...
...update needed :p
Mmm, I think my picture needs to be updated, got ome nice bracers from Shade of Akama, and a demon in BT was kind enough to drop a new shield for me....
Wednesday, 13 August 2008
T6-gloves...and no healers.
Well, after an epic fight we downed Az for the second time, and I am now the proud wearer of T6-gloves...
Azgalor really went for our healers, and our Holy Priest Lichi actually died 4 times during the succesfull bossfight :p. At the end, only 2 healers where standing, and I think I was also being healed by the elemental shammy and a shadowpriest :p.
but...
we again have a healer shortage...
some late vacations,
and some slackers who just dont show up.
I think I have demoted 6-7 members last week because of low-availability,
and I think some will be kicked... to bad, it's mostly the healers (not all, but some) who keep 'dis-appearing'.
And Resto-shammies are a dying race :P
Azgalor really went for our healers, and our Holy Priest Lichi actually died 4 times during the succesfull bossfight :p. At the end, only 2 healers where standing, and I think I was also being healed by the elemental shammy and a shadowpriest :p.
but...
we again have a healer shortage...
some late vacations,
and some slackers who just dont show up.
I think I have demoted 6-7 members last week because of low-availability,
and I think some will be kicked... to bad, it's mostly the healers (not all, but some) who keep 'dis-appearing'.
And Resto-shammies are a dying race :P
Wednesday, 6 August 2008
Out of the Shade
This night, was reall progression, learning through wiping. We needed several tries to get the side-packs under control. But in the end we kept Akama at 4%....
I tanked the guardians who went for the middle, the moment I saw them I targetted them, so when they reached Akama, I could hit/judge and they where solid in my consecration. No problems...
Tuesday, 5 August 2008
We are busy...
And my new build seems to be working... even hunters have a hard time catching up, I need to learn to get them even closer than 30%...
Monday, 4 August 2008
Double-progression-raid :p
So, XII, for the first time, had 2 Mount Hyjal Raids in one week,
we only downed Rage and Anetheron before, and had never seriously gone for Kazragol, but at the end of the evning, I could make this picture....
We 2-shotted both Kaz'rogal, who I left to Sajuuk, one of our warrior tanks, and Azgalor. Especially Kaz was fun, only four men standing at the end I think :p
And I think my spec works, look at the omen at the next Picture.
and to complete some first-kill-pictures:
we only downed Rage and Anetheron before, and had never seriously gone for Kazragol, but at the end of the evning, I could make this picture....
We 2-shotted both Kaz'rogal, who I left to Sajuuk, one of our warrior tanks, and Azgalor. Especially Kaz was fun, only four men standing at the end I think :p
And I think my spec works, look at the omen at the next Picture.
and to complete some first-kill-pictures:
Friday, 1 August 2008
0/40/21
So, now about this spec, the threat-spec :p
First off, why would I spec like this.
Lately, with all the BoJ-rewards and ZA-stuff, I sometimes get the idea of holding back the dps (at least in the first few minutes of the fight). So Now I am trying out this 'Wordlie'-spec.
What did I diss...and why?
-Blessings of Kings
In Raids I can go without this, enough pallies around :P, and tbh, If I need this in 5-mans...the healers are slacking. I always use BoSanc in heroics these days for threat.
-Precision
SO, less white hits, some more misses on Avengers Shield.. oh wait, see below. Was already one of the talents suited for replacing...
-Ardent Defender
Because I now have the 'Tankadin'-addon, I now knew how many times that saved me, around 10 times a week, and then I die anyhow... I can't remember that AD actually saved me from dead, only postponing it....
-Spell Warding
Oh, wait, I already took tha out for the PoJ-spec :p
-Benediction
This one had me scratching my head...but Seals arent that costly on mana I suppose, and T6 gives enough damage to refresh mana, although I will have problems with heroics... probably taking it back...
-Avengers Shield...
This is ofcourse the pinnacle-point of this spec... loosing Captain America's Shield. Why? Well... tbh, the only fight it is usefull on in T5, is Leotheras. I dont see another fight where it couldn't body/judgement-pull or use my decapitator. It will hurt a little in heroics... but I am Raid-specced... Of course, my starting aggro will be 600 lower.. but with this spec I will have that 600 back in 3 seconds I figure.
What did I gain...and why?
-3/5 Reckoning
Just search for the theorycraft... 3/5 is good enough, and will give me about 3% more threat.
-Imp. Blessing of Might
A Raid-buff, thinking about getting Benediction back... any melee-dps/hunter would love this, and it scales better everytime you cast it... we'll see
-Imp. Seal of the Crusader
3% more crit for the whole raid..... 'nuff said
-Crusade
3% more damage=3% more threat against almost all the mobs we are fighting now...
-Sanctity Auro
10% more holy damage= around 7% more threat
So...I am looking at a threat-increase of around 13%.....
Let's see if it works.
First off, why would I spec like this.
Lately, with all the BoJ-rewards and ZA-stuff, I sometimes get the idea of holding back the dps (at least in the first few minutes of the fight). So Now I am trying out this 'Wordlie'-spec.
What did I diss...and why?
-Blessings of Kings
In Raids I can go without this, enough pallies around :P, and tbh, If I need this in 5-mans...the healers are slacking. I always use BoSanc in heroics these days for threat.
-Precision
SO, less white hits, some more misses on Avengers Shield.. oh wait, see below. Was already one of the talents suited for replacing...
-Ardent Defender
Because I now have the 'Tankadin'-addon, I now knew how many times that saved me, around 10 times a week, and then I die anyhow... I can't remember that AD actually saved me from dead, only postponing it....
-Spell Warding
Oh, wait, I already took tha out for the PoJ-spec :p
-Benediction
This one had me scratching my head...but Seals arent that costly on mana I suppose, and T6 gives enough damage to refresh mana, although I will have problems with heroics... probably taking it back...
-Avengers Shield...
This is ofcourse the pinnacle-point of this spec... loosing Captain America's Shield. Why? Well... tbh, the only fight it is usefull on in T5, is Leotheras. I dont see another fight where it couldn't body/judgement-pull or use my decapitator. It will hurt a little in heroics... but I am Raid-specced... Of course, my starting aggro will be 600 lower.. but with this spec I will have that 600 back in 3 seconds I figure.
What did I gain...and why?
-3/5 Reckoning
Just search for the theorycraft... 3/5 is good enough, and will give me about 3% more threat.
-Imp. Blessing of Might
A Raid-buff, thinking about getting Benediction back... any melee-dps/hunter would love this, and it scales better everytime you cast it... we'll see
-Imp. Seal of the Crusader
3% more crit for the whole raid..... 'nuff said
-Crusade
3% more damage=3% more threat against almost all the mobs we are fighting now...
-Sanctity Auro
10% more holy damage= around 7% more threat
So...I am looking at a threat-increase of around 13%.....
Let's see if it works.
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